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Hauppauge WinTV Nova-t USB Digital TV Tuner


No blogging for a while, been busy fiddling with my new Hauppauge WinTV Nova-t USB2 Digital TV Tuner. This plugs into a USB 2.0 port (won't work with USB 1.1) and allows you to watch/record Digital TV (Freeview in the UK).

Very long story so here are the highlights:

  • Needs terrestrial aerial so took notebook (d410) into loft and connected it to existing unused aerial directly. Strong signal with no proper alignment, watched TV in the loft.
  • When it is working picture is very good, digital quality. Recordings are just as good.
  • Hooked aerial feed to computer room, signal too weak, black screen.
  • Put booster amplifier in loft, signal strong enough again.
  • WinTV2000 viewer app is crude and occasionally crashes. 64 channels (including radio) are chosen from a standard windows menu, too many options for screen so you have to scroll up and down. Argh. Channels are shown in random order.
  • Comes with remote control. Set it to pause live TV and it worked. Couldn't figure out how to change channel or get out of live TV without rebooting the app.
  • No real program planner in WinTV2000, just now and next when you change channel. Video recordings handled by entering time/channel in a seperate scheduler app. Primitive!
  • Nero Home doesn't recognise WinTV box.
  • Tried box in desktop PC and doesn't work. Only finds a few channels and it refuses to display them, even side-by-side with working laptop. It is hooked to USB 2.0 add-in card. Very annoying as desktop would be better for recording/media centre duties.
  • After much research, downloaded Meedio a media centre app. Had trouble getting it working, only worked if I ran it after running WinTV2000.
  • Meedio insists on showing 16:9 images on full 4:3 screen, fiddled with settings, no difference.
  • Meedio TV playback stuttered a bit.
  • Meedio is supposed to scoop program planner from the freeview signals but failed to do so.
  • Has to be the most annoying application I have ever used. Designed to be used on TV so uses huge fonts meaning menus can only show five items at a time: there are invariably six items total and I want the sixth so have to scroll. Every time you click on something it plays a silly sound which is sooo grating. You can only disable sounds by fiddling in obscure plugin settings.
  • Whenever I plug WinTV box into a different USB port, even on same pc, plug and play asks to install drivers. D410 has four USB ports (including docking station), desktop PC has four, so this is pretty tedious, especially as out of the docking station the D410 has no CD (e.g. when I was in the loft).

State of play:

  • Doesn't work in desktop
  • WinTV2000 is weak and crashes
  • Meedio is annoying and has numerous problems to resolve.

Plans:

  • Need to align aerial properly.
  • Try ShowShifter
  • Try gbpvr if I can bring myself to install .NET. Most of these things seem to use .NET so it may be unavoidable sad
  • Try MythTV if I can stand the hastle of getting it to run on linux

Conclusion: sky+ is so good. If my experiences are anything to go by, the pc world still has some catching up to do.

Is it possible to spell Hauppauge correctly without having to cut and paste? How to pronounce it? What were they thinking? Tip for the day: make it your password. Even if someone guesses it, they won't be able to spell it.

Update: attempt to install gbpvr and get

images/gbpvr.gif

Not only is the error message completely useless to anyone without access to the source code, you cannot even copy it into google to search for it.

Update 2: it turns out that this error means "You haven't installed the .NET runtime you moron".

gbpvr running fine and looks much better than anything else.


Filed under: d410 gbpvr nova-t sky+ video

Peter Says:

ShowShifter doesn't support this (or any DVB-T card). From the ShowShifter forums I get the impression that ShowShifter has been bought by some big company who are running it into the ground. Many disgruntled users. Even if it worked this may be one to be avoided.

Beyond TV, Sage TV and a few other biggies don't support DVB-T either. I think the problem is that it is primarily a European thing and US companies aren't bothered.

On the jargon front, the T in DVB-T means terrestrial: there is also DVB-C (cable) and DVB-S (satellite).

gbpvr isn't open source (one developer, releasing it free, keeping the source to himself): there is MediaPortal which is open source but is reputed to be inferior. I might try it anyway as I think I would prefer an open source solution.

These home theatre packages tend to have awful user interfaces designed to be used on TV's by wives/girlfriends (this is the usability metric in the online forums) and are willfully non-complicated to the extent that they are annoying to even a delta-geek.

Peter

darren Says:

OK, try DVB viewer ( .dvbviewer.com )- it actually works (unlike WInTV, which is pants, to be truthful). You have to pay for it, but it's pretty useful - dumped the TV about 4 months ago and haven't looked back. Even my techno-phobic wife seems to have little trouble using it. The only problem - M$ only...so the occasional BSOD on XP with USB diver issues (the PC it's running on is a bit of a box of spares i found..). Recording is great, though - it just dumps the MPEG decoded by the Nova-T to disk, and it can do more than one channel simultaneously (but it has to be the same transponder - i.e. channel group e.g. BBC, Channel4, etc).

Peter Says:

I will try this since at the moment I've given up on finding anything and have nothing to lose. I don't mind paying 15 euro's for something that works reliably.

Peter

Anonymous Says:

re Hauppauge

I once read on their website that it was pronounced "Hop-Hog". Whenever i try that pronounciation in my local dixons (or anywhere else) it takes them 5 minutes to figure it out and say "oh... you mean Haw-Page?"

Anonymous Says:

Someone is getting it running under a really small and Live-CD bootable Linux called Puppy Linux. Visit this url: murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=15683

Puppy may be loaded to your HDD (Normal), run as a compressed file HDD load which saves HDD space and is really easy to backup and to upgrade (Frugal), booted from the HDD and run in ram (Live-CD), booted from a rewritable CD, run in ram and files saved back to the CD, and in several other modes including from a USB stick or a SD card. It is pretty amazing in small size, versatility, and performance. AND, unlike Vista, it is FREE. smile

HTH ... doc

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